I randomly picked this image from the internet to represent Kirk.
I've seen in
your hate mail section that you are very open to questions, and I
appreciate that. You said in your last email that there was a
lack to very basic questions about the Bible. Would you share
those questions with me? I'm sure you will since you're very
adamant about people thinking through what they believe. I do
have another question about your beliefs... despite you being
forthright with your unbelief in God, are you generally a person who thinks that each person
is entitled to his/her own beliefs?
again for the continuing discourse.
Of course people are entitled to their own beliefs! In fact, we really
have no choice in that. People will have their own beliefs whether it's
permitted or not. Everyone has their own beliefs, and there isn't
anything anyone can do to change that fact of life.
As for unanswered
questions. Here's one:
How can there be a
heaven when there's a hell? How can anybody have any sort of paradise
while their fellow humans suffer eternally? I sometimes have trouble
sleeping at night when I think about one of those soldiers in Iraq
having his head sawed off. It keeps me up at night, the ugly
thought of someone else suffering to that extent. How could anybody be
so heartless as to sit atop a throne in paradise and not dwell on those
who are tortured for not believing the bible? It's horrible to think
any Christian could imagine forgetting their loved ones here on earth
so that they can enjoy their eternal paradise in peace.
heaven must be, huh?
An interesting question. Have you gotten the
tried and true "we're all accountable for our eternal destination
answer"? lol, I'm sure you have. I actually read your version of
tracts, and you do say yourself that we need to take responsibility for
our own actions, own up to them and be men, right? We are
accountable to something...whether it be ourselves and our conduct, or
our God by both our conduct and decisions. The problem that I see with
the type of reasoning is this:
There was a man put to death yesterday by lethal injection in
Texas. He was known as the Railroad Killer and was convicted of
murdering one woman, and had links to other murders during the same
time as well. Before this man died yesterday, and be honest, were
you sick with saddness over the possibility over his death...and even
the possibility that he may suffer once the injection was given?
I do admit that I don't know you or your stance on the death
penalty. I don't know if you were one of the people lobbying for
and extension of the sentence. I do believe that there is
something inside of us all that says, "There should be consequences for
our actions, and someone to be accountable to. This man killed,
and due to the law of the country we live in he was deserving of the
sentence that was brought upon him.".
I wonder what you felt toward this situation. Did you feel
badly, take action and work for this man's freedom...or were you
thinking the same as most, even if it was subconsciously, that
his actions brought him to the place he was in.
Bob, we as Christians aren't excited about the death of those
around us. That's the reason that we choose to speak to everyone
everywhere... the thing that gets your blood flowing so heatedly.
We choose to tell people about
what Jesus did for us because it's not God's desire for men to choose
He desires life and He's provided the way for that life.
But just as there is a law in the United States that tells us if we
murder we may be sentenced to death, there is also the law of God that
tells us if we don't take the opportunity to accept the truth of His
love and accept His forgiveness we will be sentenced as well.
Because we are all indeed accountable.
A bit lengthy, I know. I hope that you may be able to see my
reasoning, even if you don't agree with it. If you have questions
about it, feel free to email me.
Ah but Kirk, here
is a problem with your reasoning. Not believing in the Bible is not
equivalent to a murderer who kills women and gets the death penalty. A
child who is raised in a Muslim home, grows up to be Muslim and dies a
Muslim, never having killed anybody, does not deserve to be tortured
for the rest of eternity. A child who was raised in the Waco Texas
Compound, who's been taught that David Koresh is God and dies a man
still believing does not deserve eternal suffering. A logical,
reasoning atheist like myself, who is accountable for his actions on a
daily basis, who reads the bible and sees all of its flaws and
misinformation does not deserve eternal suffering for the act of
thinking reasonably. Living in New York, looking around at the hundreds
of different people with different beliefs, one can not help but
realize that these people do not deserve eternal torture for believing
the wrong book. They are only human. No?
You can try to
convince me that you believe I am not accountable for my actions, or
those other people know deep inside that Christianity is the true way,
and choose to hate and reject your God, but even that does not deserve
eternal suffering. I am even prepared to argue that a man who kills
somebody doesn't deserve eternal suffering either.
It is the eternal
suffering that keeps me up at night. It is the thought of one having
his head sawed off for the length of eternity that would ruin my peace,
wether it was a family member, a stranger, or a murderer. Eternal
torture, human beings choking on their own blood, women and men
screaming in agony for mercy is the scenario that would ruin heaven for
me. I am not heartless enough to sit back and say "They deserve what
they get. They were not accountable for their sins, praying the prayer I prayed that got me this golden
throne in paradise."
Look around you
Kirk. You really see believing in the bible an act worthy of eternal
paradise while Gandhi burns in hell?
And to think that
you can imagine such a paradise is disturbing.
Answer me this,
logically, because it is logical thinking that has destined me to hell.
•No response was ever received•
|“I WOULDN'T WAIT FOR NICE COMMENTS!!!”
YOUR ARE SO CRUEL! HOW CAN YOU MAKE SOMETHING LIKE THIS! I HOPE YOU GET
BAD LUCK FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE! AND HAVE JESUS TO NEVER LOOK DOWN
ON YOUR AND HELP YOU!! SHAME ON YOU AND YOUR FAMILY! IM GOING TO SEND
THIS TO ALL MY FRIENDS AND I WOULDN'T WAIT FOR NICE COMMENTS!!! GET A
LIFE!! BECAUSE YOUR WHOLE LIFE AND GOING TO GO DOWN WITHOUT THE HELP OF
| I HOPE YOU'RE NOT SITTING AROUND WAITING FOR A NICE
COMMENT BACK FROM ME FOR WHAT YOU WROTE BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET
IT. YOU WANNA KNOW WHY? BECAUSE YOU'RE MORE EVIL THAN THE EVILEST
PERSON EVER!!!!!!! YOU CAN HAVE A HEAVEN WHILE HUMANS BURN IN HELL???
WHAT KIND OF HEARTLESS ANIMAL ARE YOU??? THERE CAN BE NO HEAVEN FOR ME
WHILE PEOPLE BURN, I DON'T CARE IF THEY WERE BUDDIST! NO ONE DESERVES
TO BURN FOR ETERNITY! NOT EVEN THE GAY TELE-TUBBY!
I HOPE YOUR ETERNAL CHRISTMAS IN PARADISE IS SPENT CRYING OVER THOUGHTS
OF PEOPLE ON FIRE FOREVER WHO GET NO MORE CHRISTMAS PRESENTS! YOU
|“I'M GOING TO SEW YOU FOR THIS WEBSITE AND I CAN BECAUSE I'M A LAWYER!”
WOW, YOU MAKE NO SENCE!! WHAT DO PEOPLE BURNING HAVE TO DO WITH
DRESSING UP JESUS YOUR REALLY STUPID! AND JUST TO LET YOU KNOW YOU HAVE
A WHOLE WEBSITE OF PEOPLE WRITING BAD COMMENTS ABOUT YOUR
WEBSITE! GO TAKE A FUCKING LOOK. YOU CAN JUST GO AND PLAY WITH PEOPLE'S
I'M GOING TO SEW YOU FOR THIS WEBSITE AND I CAN BECAUSE I'M A LAWYER!
AND I WILL SEW YOU FOR EVERY PENNIE YOUR WORTH, (WHICH PROBABLY ISN'T
MUCH), BUT I WILL MAKE YOU PAY!!
|AREN'T PEOPLE GOING TO BURN IN HELL? TELL ME IF I MADE A
MISTAKE. MY BAD IF WE'RE ALL GOING TO HEAVEN. AND THAT'S GOOD NEWS!
THANK YOU NAIRA!
I'M GOING TO HEAVEN! YAY!!!!!
|“you leave me alone and i'll
leave you alone and you do what ever you want with your website. Ok?”
You know what just forget about this and you leave me alone and i'll
leave you alone and you do what ever you want with your website. Ok?
|Good. I didn't ever want to hear from you in the first
place. I'm actually GLAD you're never writing me back again! I hope
your heaven is ruined by all the crying and screaming from hell!
|“you write back to me after this message i
will sew you for harassment!!”
Oh grow up! get a life. if you write back to me after this message i
will sew you for harassment!!
|Same to you! And if you write me back after this I will
counter sue you for reverse-harrassment!!!!!!!! I HOPE YOU NEVER EMAIL
|“why do u talk Good ins some things and others
I just read some of your hate mail....why do u talk Good ins some
things and others not??????/ I just want to understand
|I suppose it just matters what my mood is and if I'm
addressed politely or not. Like if I emailed you saying "What's
wrong with you you creep! I hope you die!!" You'd be more impolite in
responding to that person. But if another person emailed you saying
"Hey, I was wondering if you'd mind telling me what religion you are?
I'm curious as to why you made a game like the one you have online"
then you would more than likely be polite to that person.
I hope that answers your question.
daughter who is 11, was showed your website by a YOUNGER friend of hers”
not really..I mean I do no hate God, but it seems as if u do??? that is
why I was asking...my daughter who is 11, was showed your website by a
YOUNGER, not by much friend of hers, so I was just curious, b/c some of
the things on there the other parent did not want her to see...I do not
even know how she found out about it...I was actually shocked at some
of the things myself..I just try to understand people and I am hoping
you do not hate GOD/Jesus......
|Oh no, no, no! I do not hate God or Jesus or anything
like that at all. I don't even believe they exist! I think
all that stuff is crazy superstitious nonsense. Folklore. And you're
probably not gonna like to hear this, but I also think it's
harmful to children to teach them the bible and tell them "faith"
is a positive thing, because it is not.
I'm happy that your 11 year old came across the page. I hope it counteracts a little of the misinformation you're passing down
to her in regards to where we all came from, the purpose of life, and
the proper way to think.
It's not hate at all. It's a game treating Jesus as He is:
make-believe. I hope she got that message from it, because I truly
believe what you're teaching her about the bible is not only
wrong, but dangerous. Please stop.
Thank you for your email.
PS. Please don't just disregard this email. I am trying to get to kids
and change their minds about religion, and I'm doing a good job of it
if I do say so myself. Type "Jesus" into Google and you'll see how your
daughter and her friend and other kids are probably finding my site.
|“I am a human being just like yourself and curious
about where do u think we came from?????”
ok well you have answered my questions....I do
appreciae your response..however, where do u believe we came
from....???????? and I do not want my daughter doingany kind of
dress-up on Jesus or the devil for that matter....so plz do not take me
wrong , ok I am a human being just like yourself and curious about
where do u think we came from?????/ I am takin it that you do not
believe in Adam and Eve...I do not preach to know the bible and other
things like others, however, I do feel some things about life that you
amy not agree with, so plz enlighten me and fill me in...I am not a
hate person, nor hateful, just trying to understand...........and
your beliefs are yours...
|Dear Mrs. Zimmey,
You asked me "where do you believe we came from?" as if you have never
taken a science class in all your years. I am more than happy to give
you a quick refresher on where science says we came from.
It has been established that evolution is a fact of life. Evolution is
the basic logic that every living thing passes down its traits to its
young, and that this occurring over thousands and millions of years
effects life. For instance, take pond scum. Pond scum is some of the
most basic life forms that there is. It's simply clumps of cells
reproducing themselves on the water's surface in sunlight. It just
keeps multiplying until it make this mass of gooey stuff floating on
the water. It's really nothin' special to look at, but it's life
So this scum keeps reproducing and growing and oozing outward, over
weeks, months and years, just multiplying cells spreading atop the
water's surface, UNTIL it runs out of room! Then what happens? Well
Mrs. Zimmey, at this point something very special happens, and its
mission to continue reproducing itself takes it to new levels. It pits
the cells against each other, fighting for space, killing the weaker,
stupider cells, while the stronger ones move forward and develop
features to help it survive. Some scientists say that this is where one
of the first defense mechanisms came about in the form of a bubble
surrounding the individual cell, one that could not be penetrated by a
lesser, underdeveloped cell.
So let's move forward in time a bit, and these living organisms, in
their struggle to survive and reproduce, begin to evolve into little
sea creatures, plants, and other primitive forms of life. All of these
different forms of life with the same goal: to survive and reproduce.
Now I'm talking, not just thousands, but millions of years Mrs. Zimmey,
passing by, slowly but surely, with these life forms spreading
everywhere fighting to live and multiply like life does so very well.
Some of these things die, unable to find
food, or keep from being eaten by larger life forms, and never go on to
make more of themselves. BUT, Mrs. Zimmey, the ones that DO survive and
reproduce are a little better example of their species than the one
before it. That's how evolution works. Then one day a fish like
creature trapped in a drying puddle, struggling to live, flip flops out
of the water and scrambles with its fins to another muddy puddle a few
feet away. It may seem like a meaningless event, but it is HUGE! It's
the beginnings of life leaving the water and walking the dry earth!
It's amazing! Fantastic! And far more fascinating than the myth of Eve
being tempted by a talking snake to eat an apple. It is the very real
struggle of life transforming before your very eyes! And better yet, it
is what really happened. It is actual happenings.
From there, this fish that made the first steps onto land, has babies,
and those babies have babies, and so on and so on, until many
generations later there's a creature that looks like a salamander, with
feet that used to be fins, walking the earth's surface, venturing where
no life form has ever ventured before.
This process of evolution continues forward with the cold-blooded
reptile, over many many thousands of years venturing even further from
the great bodies of water and evolving into something more
warm-blooded, so it can survive away from water, walk through grass,
climb trees, and actually nurse and care for its young, for the first
time in life's history! This living creature is what we now call a
mammal. You and I are mammals, Mrs. Zimmey. We are warm-blooded animals
that nurture our young like a dog does, or a monkey, or a bunny rabbit.
We are the most impressive accomplishment of evolution, and the trail
took to get here can be followed all the way back to that murky scum
that lives on the water's surface.
That is where we came from, Mrs. Z, and you can clearly see the
similarities we have with all living creatures if you just look, and
it's incredible! And this is information that your daughter misses out
on when you tell her the fake story of Adam and Eve and the talking
snake. Your daughter misses out on some of the most amazing findings
that scientists have discovered.
This is where we came from. I hope that you see how much I care about
your child's education to take the time to write all of this at 1:40 am
on a Tuesday night. It's important to teach our children facts about
life so that they can better understand this world and benefit from
that knowledge as they get older.
Thank you for the question. I hope I answered it to your satisfaction.
|“I am totally tripping on you for real. It is like the TWILIGHT ZONE!!!”
ok, 1'st of all, I never told my daugher the story..and I wish I would have never emailed U, b/c U seem kind of snotty..i never meant anything by it, just asking your opinion, which u did give...I will not bother U know more for sure..thanks for your time, but no thanks...
I just wonder if U are married, have children, or even wonder what kind of job U have b/c U are WAY FAR OUT THERE!!!!!!!! I hope that I am safe w/the emails I have sent you and now wish I never would have gottten involved... However, I may say U are one of the strangest people I HAVE EVER come across at this time..I am sure there will be more...but >>>(figure out the word there) help U!!!!!!!! I am totally tripping on you for real. It is like the TWILIGHT ZONE!!! HAVE A GREAT DAY, LIFE, OR WHATEVER YOU MAY WANT TO CALL IT..SORRY TO BOTHER U, TAKE CARE!!!!! AND SORRY FOR ANY OFFENSE U MAY HAVE TAKEN, MR. BOB...
|You're telling me that I took all that time to write that explanation about where science says we came from and you're not gonna tell it to your daughter? Are you that irresponsible of a parent that you're actually going to withhold information from her?
No, I am not married, and I have no kids. I am a freelance artist in New York City, mainly graphic design, portraits, logos, cartooning and such.
And seriously, you should tell your daughter how things really came about, and not just say things like "God made it that way. Stop asking so many questions." That's why so many people are so stupid today. Because of parents like you. Was that snotty?
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