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Okay, it's official. I will be appearing at the premier of Jesus Camp September 22nd in full devil garb, with a camera crew
and an Unholy Army of Catholic School Girls.

If you haven't already heard about it, or you haven't watched the trailer than I advise that you do just that. >>>

I read an article recently that predicts a Civil War here in America, the topic: Religion. And if that's gonna be the case I want this event to be the beginning of the unrest! I also read an article that reported on a priest who tried to walk on water and never returned to shore, so if that isn't a spark to get your water boiling than I don't know what to say.

So this is my first formal request to any of you who'll be in the New York area to be aware that this is happening. I will be there with handfuls of God Is Fake pamphlets and the goal of getting inside to the showing, which will be followed by a review here on the site.

I have never before planned this far in advance, and announced an appearance such as this. I hope that it makes something of interest occur. And if you have anything to bring to this event I value your suggestions.

I'm still not sure of the location and exact times. When that information comes to me I will post it.


Dear Mr. Smith,

Your answers to Ms. Greene (hatemail292) were superbly eloquent, but you neglected to answer her query: "If there are only two kinds of hell , as options available, which one would you choose? The crying or the burning?" Now, I don't know if you like poetry. I can't recall ever seeing any on your site. But that question put me in mind of a snippet from Joaquin Miller's "The Tale Of The Tall Alcalde," a 19th century epic verse which dealt mainly with the brutal Indian wars of northern California (Miller ended up fighting on both sides - strange times). It fully answers her question rather as I think you might, were you a versifier. Check it out:

"I do not question school nor creed
Of Christian, Protestant or Priest.
I only know that creeds to me
Are but new names for mystery,
That good is good from east to east,
And more I do not know nor need
To know, to love my neighbor well.
I take their dogmas, as they tell,
Their pictures of their Godly good
(In garments thick with heathen blood);
Their Heaven with its harp of gold,
Their horrid pictures of their hell -
Take hell and heaven undenied,
Yet were the two placed side by side,
Placed full before me for my choice,
As they are pictured, best and worst,
As they are peopled, tame and bold,
The canonized, and the accursed
Who dared to think, and thinking speak,
And speaking act, bold cheek to cheek,
I would in transports choose the first,
And enter hell with lifted voice."

Sounds kinda like you to me. Maybe I'll be there to shake your hand (hehe). Meanwhile, let's all "hang in there" together, or we all may well hang separately.

Yours truly,

X. Hismarck

P.S. My whole family loves your fridge magnets! I gave one to each of my daughters as Vesta Quez Day presents.

I went to Google search and typed in, simply, Jesus...
Your site was the second most prominant listing.

Dear Bob,

I happened upon your site. I went to Google search and typed in, simply, Jesus, out of mere curiosity to see what would come up. Your site was the second most prominant listing. I am curious about what prompted you to come up with this web page. You obviously put alot of thought time and effort into this. I am just wondering why you feel so strongly against Christ? Perhaps you could include a "word bubble" option, with the quote, "Father forgive them, for they know not what they do." He did hang in there. And he did it for you. We love you Bob. Hang in there.

Carol Greene
carol_a_greene@yahoo.com

I have been terribly upset ever since I discovered that heaven is a horrible place where we mourn every day for our brothers and sisters in hell. I was so bothered when I was told this news that I took it out on Jesus. I could not believe that He would make such a tragic place where mothers weep for their fallen children, siblings sob for siblings, and we all pound our heads on heaven's soundproofed walls for the endless oceans of human beings that suffer eternally for the crime of believing Satan's lies.

Now I recognize Jesus and believers in heaven as heartless villains who can somehow have a paradise while others burn. It seems there are only two different kinds of hell available to people. One where you burn forever, and one where you mourn for those who burn. Jesus' Dad really didn't think things through very well. That is why I made a silly dress up game of His Son.

Thank you for your inquiry. I'm sure you understand now.
Join me in the protest against God's bumble.
Bob

If there are only two kinds of hell, as options available, which one would you choose? The crying or the burning?

Hi Bob,
I now respond to your e-mail. It may not be easy for you , but, please read on. The book of Acts, chapter 17, verses 24-31 RSV states: "The God who made the world and everything in it, being Lord of heaven and earth, does not live in shrines made by man, nor is he served by human hands, as though he needed anything, since he himself gives to all men life and breath and everything. And he made from one every nation of men to live on the face of the earth, having determined allotted periods and the boundaries of their habitation, that they should seek God, in the hope that they might feel after him and find him. Yet he is not far from each one of us, for 'In him we live and move and have our being'; as even some of your poets have said, 'For we are indeed his offspring.'

Being then God's offspring, we ought not to think that the Deity is like gold, or silver, or stone, a representation by the art and imagination of man. The times of ignorance God overlooked, but now he commands all men everywhere to repent, because he has fixed a day on which he will judge the world in righteousness by a man whom he has appointed, and of this he has given assurance to all men by raising him from the dead."

If you think God is harsh and cruel, consider what the Devil himself might require of you. Battle either one, little you alone with all of your conclusions, ask yourself, who is protecting you? Who would you rather face? Like Bob Dylan says, "You're gonna have to serve somebody." It's a bitch ain't it? Bob? As far as all the mourning for loved ones and tears and such, the book of Revelation , chapter 21 verses 3-5 say ; " and I heard a loud voice from the throne saying," Behold, the dwelling of God is with men. He will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself will be with them; he will wipe away every tear from their eyes , and death shall be no more, neither shall there be mourning nor crying nor pain any more, for the former things have passed away." So, now you've heard differently. So whom ever told you about heaven being a horrible place full of mourning and awareness of the suffering of the lost and so on, well, here is your counter-point. I have a question. If there are only two kinds of hell , as options available, which one would you choose? The crying or the burning? After all, you too are counted among all people. You have the gift of life. And since you are here as a thinking human entity , you , like all us , will have to choose. It is unfortunate you have been the victim of a lie, and that you are perpetuating such sacrilege at the cost of your own soul. There are better options available.

Sincerely,
Carol Greene
carol_a_greene@yahoo.com

Oh, what a relief! I thought I was going to be doomed to care about the fate of my fellow humans for the rest of eternity. It's such a joy to hear that those feelings will be wiped from my mind and I will no longer feel any kind of distress, worry, or heartache for those whom I hold so dear today! Like my two brothers and sister-in-laws who are non believers in Jesus Christ. I am so thrilled that I can rest assured I won't have any of the love for them that I have now when I get to heaven. Such a delightful place God made for us! It makes SO much sense!

You know, this puts the human race in a whole new light for me! I no longer have to put so much value on those who believe differently than me! They are the lost, misled disciples of Satan (My bothers and their families) while I (a newly converted Christian) am the blessed one who has earned eternal paradise for the mere act of believing in the correct book. Oh what a delightful day it is today!!

And how do I know it is the true word of God? Easy! Because it is flawless! As any divine book written by the God of The Universe should be! ...Well, flawless except for that contradiction in Genesis where it gives two different accounts of the dawn of man and animal. One where the animals came first, and the other where man came first. But that's it. The Bible is PERFECT besides that one thing that God messed up. Oh! And also the little mistake God made of not really understanding how the earth rotates around the sun, and the stars not being specks in the sky, as the Hebrews believed. But those are mistakes made by man in the bible. God carelessly left his Book to be written and translated by men He did not inspire. It's an easy mistake, even for God.

So okay, the Bible isn't perfect. But we know it's written by God because all of the evidence therein points that it was written by God! It contains perfect philosophy as only a book written by God could contain, except for all of the killing, and bloodshed and slaughter of mothers and children, and children while they're still in their mothers. But those are tiny flaws. The written bible accords perfectly with the laws of nature! ...well, sort of... not really. I mean, their science was quite primitive, and even though God wrote it He too was limited by man's knowledge of science. That makes sense, right?

Okay, so the Bible isn't perfect. But that's not how you prove somethings written by God. The evidence that points towards it being written by God is its morality is of the highest and the purist! ...except for the Old Testament. That doesn't count. There's hardly any act of morality in the Old Testament. Those apes were freakin' raping, killing and waging war on women, children and cattle like death was goin' out of style! So it doesn't count. The New Testament however is morally perfect and makes up for the Old one! Right? Except for the never condemning slavery. But who's that gonna hurt? Slaves? Who cares about them??

You know what, let's change the subject. Christ, where were we? Oh yeah, we know the Bible is the true inspired work of the God of the Universe because...

Um, well, because everyone believes in it! That's a good reason! Because people's belief in things, when it's in a big group, is really dependable. Right? Except for the Nazis. The Nazis and Muslims. And Jews. And the people who believed in those other gods like Zeus and Thor. And people in China, and India, and North Korea. They don't count. Ugh.

Um, why do I believe again? Gad. I forgot. Carol, remind me again why I believe in the Bible. Would you please? Is it only because it promises to wipe my mind clean of my loved ones when I get to paradise? Or was there another "gift" besides that?

Bob

I follow the voice of the Lord

hi again, Bob-- I just read your message again , now that it isn't 5:30 AM. I don't know where you get the idea our minds get wiped clean.
And just for the record, you might be interested that I do not belong to a "religion" . And the reasons I believe in God and that I believe he is a loving god, have much to do with the word, but also it has everything to do with the word in combination with the path of my life. The bible is a map. It is the written word in combination with prayer and will, that convince the heart . I have witnessed such pin point accuracy of meetings and seeming happenstance, promptings and guidance. I know it's not coincidence. I follow the voice of the Lord now, because that is where I find peace. As messed up as my life has been, God never stopped protecting me even when I didn't want him to.

Now tell me; you know so much about the nature of God and of the Bible, now tell me about the nature of Satan.

Carol Greene
carol_a_greene@yahoo.com

You're asking me about the nature of Satan? If I were to presume his nature I would guess that he would put most of his efforts into destroying people, killing them without hesitation in mass as fast as he could, without any remorse whatsoever. There would be no limit as to the amount of pain and destruction he'd be willing to commit. And I'm sure he would uphold the ideas of slavery and even sanction polygamy and incest.

His nature would be to divide families, massacre the helpless, and even go so far as to destroying sheep, cattle and anything else that might get in the way of his destructive wrath. Satan would have no conscience when it came to the wars he waged, and he'd be heartless in regards to the savagery left at the end of his finger. I would think that Satan's mercilessness in regards to human life would go beyond comprehension, even so far as wiping out every living thing inhabiting all of the world if he had the power to do so. Then if given the opportunity I'm sure he would have ALL human beings destined for eternal suffering upon their very birth onto this planet we call Earth.

All of these things I would say about the nature of Satan, but instead they are each things done at the hands of the Lord whose voice you follow. It's really quite terrifying.

Bob

what are the good things?

Well Bob . I do not wish terrify you any further. Good luck with all your efforts and thank you for your time. Perhaps you could ask yourself one day, what are the good things.  Peace Bob, to you and to your family. Thanks again, Carol

Carol Greene
carol_a_greene@yahoo.com

I have already asked myself that question you have brought up. And the answer is a beautiful and obvious one, at least to me it is. The answer to the question "What are the good things" is People.

People are what are so important and worth preserving and living for. The survival of the human race matters more than your Lord which you put above all else. People are more important than the Bible you believe in. More important than its Messiah you value most. People matter more than all of those things, and not even one of their lives is worth sacrificing for your God. Not a one.

So until you recognize this actuality, your beliefs will indeed seem quite terrifying to me, and others. I hope and I beg you to reconsider your priorities, because the survival of the human race depends upon the religious ceasing their hope for an Armageddon.

Bob

Hello everyone

Bob- I see you have posted our communications for all the world to view. Surprising. But, thank you . I simply would like to point out that having me under the heading of "hate mail" is not fair if you mean I was the one sending it to you. Maybe I'm stupid, but if there is any hate involved, it is on your part. My letters to you were and are well intended.

Carol Greene
carol_a_greene@yahoo.com

P.S. Hello everyone

Hey Bob!
Thought you might like this. Steve Wells did a pretty thorough accounting of the Bible, to find a specific death toll for both God and Satan.  It’s all in the link, but Mr. Wells didn’t use any estimates, only counting deaths for which specific numbers are given (and therefore leaving out some of God’s best mass hit jobs, like the whole “wiping out humanity except for Noah” thing).  Not to spoil the surprise but the final tally wasn’t very close--
Total People Killed in Bible:
By God-            2,270,365+
By Satan-          10

-Brian
Chicago

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