emails, more feuding and lots more Edward Britz.
Hey, if you haven't
seen what everybody's shoutin' about you have to see the anti-Bob
pages Ed put together!
Antony is getting frustrated from reading!
should recommand these fanmailers and hatemailers to all
study philosophy. It is not because that these arguments
are endless that it is frustrating to read the hatemails
and their replies. It is the fact that the points that all
these people are making are not original. Whichever standpoint
these people are from, most are repeating what they neglected
to read or ignored. And when they write so much of their
analyzation of how the world is or is not, they FEEL smart,
thus leads most of them to convince themselves that they
know. The way Hitler got people to kill so many Jews for
him is by repeating the same same messages on stage again
and again over the years, building up from what the popes
and politicians said before he existed. Now the Christians
on page #089 don't recognize it, but you should convince
them to invent a better method than to repeat what was already
shot down in hatemail page #001. Perhaps the way to do this
is to repeat this issue I just raised again and again to
these people. Maybe I should repeat this issue to you until
you consider my methods.
course, it is really hard to convince most people to NOT
think "oh antony is talking philosophical mumbo jumbo" as
if philosophy has nothing to do with politics or manners.
I emailed Ed about his web site too, and he's mean! Saying
hurtful things in his response. I'm only 16! Just because
I R Smrtr then him, doesn't mean he's got to be mean! Well,
here is what I wrote and what he wrote back with:
I'm a fan of Normal Bob Smith's website and I just had to
read your "evidence" that God exists. I've read up to the
third one, and I see, in no way, that any of that is evidence.
It would not hold up in any court, and it is just mindless
Scientists say that it is more and more unlikely that life
could begin from nothing. That is what you state, is it not?
Well, where did your Creator crawl out from? Has He just always
been there? Is He energy based? I would have to guess so if
He had the energy and power to create an entire universe!
What created His energy? Personally, a big bang is more logical
#2: Little Causality
I think the above covers this on too. What is God's "more
original state"? You have no proof to the existence of God.
There are more logical reasons out there for everything then
a supernatural being that creates things with words.
#3: Hollywood's Double Standard I'm not going to lie, I only
read the first part of this. Yes the universe has order. Maybe
out in the vast galaxies, there is no order. There are some
hundred billion galaxies, each with, on average, a hundred
billion stars. In all the galaxies, there are perhaps as many
planets as stars, ten billion trillion (try to imagine). Now,
out of those planets, what is the likelihood of at least one
supporting life? I would say pretty god damn good. If Earth
didn't have life, we'd be on another planet asking the same
questions. Maybe there are other life forms out there asking
the same question right now. Just because we don't know how
life started now doesn't mean it must be God. There is something
for every generation to learn. In the distant future So look
at the big picture, not just your little view of our solar
planning on reading the rest of it sense you aren't showing
evidence at all.
you for reading.
appreciate your taking the time to email me, so let me respond.
The goal here is to show that you cannot prove that God does
not exist. Read that twice. God is energy? You cannot confine
a creator to what he created. I am a graphic designer. If
my designs would talk, they would say, "What! Is 'god' made
of some translucent ink?" Keith, you cannot expect to understand
the infinite with a finite mind. What this argument means
to say is that it is easier to believe that something intelligent
(that we cannot expect to understand) created everything,
than to say nothing created everything. The second argument
takes this one step further. God can simply be eternal in
all directions without requiring our understanding. But to
go back for infinity, without beginning and without a creator
is even harder to believe.
because we don't know how life started now doesn't mean it
must be God." I don't understand your point. The contrary
is equally true. "I'm not planning on reading the rest of
it since you aren't showing evidence at all." It seems that
you already have a desire to not see evidence. Be honest with
yourself, Keith. Be open. Never be afraid to challenge what
you believe by reading others views. I encourage you to stay
of liked his translucent ink thing though... I also found
it funny how he tells me to be open minded, while he worships
an empty room just because he was raised that way, and mocks
you for believing otherwise.
Talk to you later Bob..
you doing? I'm thinking you are cowering for the end of the
world right now, after Bob put it ever so well. And you commented
on how some of the people who emailed you (like myself) have
became offended and cut you off altogether. Well, I just wanted
to let you know, I'm not offended by your child-like belief
or how you've seemed to avoid the fact that your so called
"evidence" is nothing more than near ravings of an empty room
worshiper. In fact, I kind of enjoyed your response. You must
have misunderstood why I stopped reading your page. It wasn't
because I don't want to see the evidence, I want to see the
evidence, it's because you weren't showing evidence to begin
with! If you go though a newspaper and see something to spark
your interest, then halfway though you notice it doesn't even
come close to explaining the title of it, you are going to
stop reading it. Why? Because it is poorly written. That is
why I stopped. So stop your ego trip of thinking you've scared
people. It is true, people get scared easily. I've realized
this by driving around in my hearse and watching people freak
out when I pull up next to them. But giving them your point
of view won't do shit. Now I'm ranting, I feel just like you.
I'm going to shut up now because I've lost my train of thought,
and go do what all other stereotypical non-Christians do and
shoot up some cocaine.
you for your time again,
just kind of read your response the first time and thought I
would get back to it whenever, (again) not that I was scared
or offended, it's just you aren't one of my top priorities.
My first response kind of went away from your response. So I
apologize for that. This one will try and keep onto it. You
cannot prove God doesn't exist? Well you also cannot prove God
does exist. And if you, Ed Britz, can, please enlighten us.
So far you haven't been able to. So if God is not energy, what
is he? And your designs wouldn't say that, they would ask that.
Or assume, which is what I did. And we aren't made of energy,
we are made of cells. Just like your designs are made of translucent
ink, they are made of electrical energy used by the computer.
That and computer coding, but that's besides the point. If God
has some kind of form, as stated in the Bible, then he must
have energy. Again, it's just an assumption. And it may be easier
to believe something intelligent created everything. That makes
it in no way better to do this. It is also easier to kill yourself
then put up with all the shit life throws at you. This does
not make better to do that. It's just taking the easy way out.
I don't like people who take the easy way out of things. They
are the people who run to their parents or their empty room
for everything because it's easier than facing it themselves.
I picture you as a kid praying in your room for God to bring
you a girl. When you didn't get a girl, you just thought "it
isn't me... God doesn't think it is time for me to have a girl.
Maybe I should pray more, or louder! That'll work!" Now, my
point of "just because we don't know how life began doesn't
mean it must be God." So your point is because we don't know
how life began, it doesn't mean it was evolution, although studies
show it is more likely than a non-energy life form in some other
dimension who just thought it was something to do. And I do
challenge what I believe by reading what other's points of view
are. I've read your page, up until I decided that it was pointless
to go on. I don't see why you are so proud of that page that
you put it everywhere. Even after you deleted it from your page
altogether. Deleting those pages just shows how much of a coward
you truly are. "Ha ha, I made this 'brilliant' page for Normal
Bob Smith... Oh no! What if he sees it... Better delete it,
and fast!" Well, that's it for now. I look forward to your response.
I know it will be as brilliant as your first one, or your squirrel
picture for that matter.
you again for your time,
Keith T. .
I am glad you wrote back! So, no, you are no longer one of
those whom I put on my "too scared to respond" list. My apologies
for the pre-judgement. I am also glad that I did not offend
you, though I don't know how I could have.
"So stop your ego trip of thinking you've scared people."
I, er ... well, I don't get an ego trip from scaring people,
nor was that my intent. I am just presenting the truth. I
get an "ego trip" from knowing that the God of the universe
would rather die than live without me. Now if that doesn't
give you a feeling of self-worth, nothing will.
Furthermore, if you are already absolutely certain that you
know the truth, what opposes your view should not scare you
anyway. And for that reason, I do not see myself as "cowering"
from Bob's very own brainchild's, though somewhat eloquent
and satirical they may be. Let me clear up some of your misconceptions.
The Bible never says that God has a "form." Praying louder
or longer does not increase your chances of getting the answer
you want. I updated my entire website last week so those "secret"
pages, as Bob calls them, were down for that period of time.
I assure you, they have been up for almost a week now, though
somewhat trimmed to better get to the point. But thanks for
checking up on me. My "evidences" are written at a basic level.
I did not intended that someone as well read as you would
go to them. But I will continue to add to them. Maybe one
might even challenge you.
About your God-energy theory. You are attempting to fit God
into your human understanding. If there is a God who created
the universe and all that is in it, don't you think it is
a little fool hardy to simply assume he is some photon containment
field of energy? I mean, God would have created energy. He
does no have to be energy. If you were blind from birth, there
would be no way for me to describe the color green to you
because in your dark world, you would have nothing to reference
it to. You are trying to do the same with God. You want to
cross reference him with something that your 5 senses can
detect. God could have made 6 senses ... or 1000 senses. He
decided to give you 5, and with those 5 you are attempting
to understand him? Jack, Jack, Jack. You know better than
that. Look, I have to run. Debating about God's existence
is not my full time job either, but I would welcome a response
from you if you have the energy ... no pun intended.
So, how was the cocaine trip? Too bad the real world is always
waiting for you when you return, hey? There is a peace and
contentment that God offers so that you don't feel you have
to leave reality. Knowing where I will be in 100 years,
That's it for now... Maybe you should work on Satan's Salvation to
keep your mind off of this simple-minded Christian. Keith T.
Edward Britz files
pages were such a hit that I've added a Part
to his section.
has redesigned his main site and jazzed up (literally)
Squirrel is still goin' at that corn cob, there are still an
overwhelming amount of logos with T's
that are also crosses and maybe a few too many Photoshop filters
being exploited, but in the end he's definitely playin' more to
the kids. By
the way Ed, the link is busted to this
with that all said I have more mail and retort to Ed's emails because
you all crave it so badly!
emails are in blue while mine are
in black and white.
you're right and I'm wrong, I have lost nothing.
well, well ...
Still at it? That's
I have received a few emails from people willing to debate
the ubiquitous question, "Does God exist?" Flustered by all
the sudden attention, I went to your site and I saw that you,
Bob Smith, had put me on your front page. What's a guy to
say but, "It's about time." I appreciate the sentiment and
am enjoying the opportunities it has afforded me; though I
must admit, and not that I am ungrateful, but all but 2 of
the emails that I received were sort of ... well, for lack
of a better word, "whiny;" emotion-laden responses that misunderstood
some of the more basic parts of the evidences I had posted.
Some became easily offended and have cut me off altogether.
This generation is dissapointing ..
And then again,
perhaps I was not clear enough, or too tongue-in-cheek, but
I will accept the blame and rely on setting straight the misconceptions
of those who take the time to email me. Not to worry, Bob.I
regret that I will not be able to write directly to Steven
Thrasher or the nameless girl who had a lot to say for lack
of email addresses. No matter.
I am honored that
I elicited such ... lengthy responses. Bob, I wish you well
in your pursuit for truth. If you follow the pattern of those
before you, it will get more intense as you approach the inevitable.
Just remember that a good gambler should always hedge his
bets. If you're right and I'm wrong, I have lost nothing.
But if I am right and you are wrong, you have lost everything.
acceptance and security,
Well well well....
Ed has finally contacted me about his secret pages that were
built so long ago then made to go away until a fan sent me
the Google cache links. Were you scared to show me the pages
you posted? And now you come groveling back begging for more
attention from the atheist we all know that you love so dearly...
because your GOD makes you love me. HA HA HA! Another lie
you are forced to pretend. Another impossible feat that a
believer must fake or they will pay with eternal damnation.
Another perversion of proper human behavior that doesn't work
in real life.
This Ed is what
you lose. You lose your life. This is the worst fate of all
because it was the only one that you had and you spent it
living to a set of directions that don't work. No, I'm not
talking about the obvious directions like "Thou shalt not
kill" or "Gay is bad". I'm talking about things like "faith
before logic being a virtue" and "give your responsibilities
to God instead of doing it for yourself". Even something as
simple as making people feel guilty for not being able to
believe the unbelievable is a dreadful thumbtack to put in
a shoe. You'll have been no better than Marshall Applewhite,
wasting other people's lives by telling them to ignore that
which makes sense and have faith in a fairy tale. Jesus Christ,
you'll have told children that to question it is a sin. What
could be worse than actually promoting ignorance to the children?
The ones who Jesus loves most!
Ed, you will have
lost the luxury of learning how we really evolved and the
true meaning of life. You will have never had true knowledge
and passed it down to your loved ones. Instead of believing
science with its dinosaur bones and medical breakthroughs
you will still be left wondering if we were even correct in
declaring the earth round. You'll have succumbed to confusion
and accepted its ills with open arms.
Hell, you'll have
spent your life thinking the snake had its legs taken away
because it tempted Eve in the garden. There is no worse fate
than looking the obvious fool. At least when I die I'll have
the luxury of scolding God for taking the "Mother Goose" route
instead of simply meeting me face to face so that I could
truly know the value He puts on my eternal soul.
Watch out Ed! Any
day now that seven headed dragon could come swooping from
the sky to eat your baby, and the horsemen to trample your
lawn furniture. Run to the hills because it could even be
TODAY! Crouch in the bushes and fear that falling sky because
fear is the backbone of religion. And unfortunately you'll
have never understood that fear was indeed the most important
obstacle to overcome in life.
You'll have lived
with the misconception that this life is minute compared to
the everlasting one that follows. This is all you'll have
Oh! And your name
will be Mud.
are too small, too short lived to have a respectable logic,
Bob. Now... God is older than me. I can only assume he
knows more than me. I will have faith in his logic.
Well, well, well
I appreciate your
well-thought, from-the-heart response. It is indeed a compliment.
I never meant to take those pages off-line permanently. They
were down for about a week as I revamped my website. They
are back on-line now. They have been for a few days now. I
revamped them to, however. A little less Bob-slamming, a little
more to the point. I don't have to like you Bob, but I am
called to love you in Jesus name. So, this I do. Yes, it is
near impossible without God's help. But believe me, there
are harder people to love out there. You are not as difficult
as you may think.
About faith and
logic. I have gained life, Bob. Human logic is unimpressive
and erroneous. Laden with manipulating human emotion and dependent
on the unimpressive ignorant human view of the universe around
him. We are too small, too short lived to have a respectable
logic, Bob. Now ... God is older than me. I can only assume
he knows more than me. I will have faith in his logic. After
what I have seen in my short existence, I will take a chance
on God's ideas because they leave me without the consequences
that human logic brings.
is a sin? Sheesh Bob. Following God means I hang my brains
up at the door? Really, I don't think you believe this. You
are running Bob. Bringing up extremes to help you be more
certain that you are not making a mistake and leaving behind
what can truly liberate you from yourself and that nagging
feeling that says you could be wrong.
Your email to me
was full of intensity. Something was inspiring you to write
such an involved email. Like the nameless girl on your website.
I think you are trying to convince yourself as much as you
are trying to convince me. But to accept what you believe,
with all its loneliness, insecurities and uncertainties, is
a downgrade for me, and I will not accept.
Bob. You may not
believe this, but I do have a genuine concern for you. "Run
to the hills because it (the second Coming, capital "C") could
even be TODAY!" For your sake I hope you're wrong here.
You are taking
big chances under the false pretense that you can enjoy your
life more if you chose your own destiny. I'm telling you,
your search for meaning will only get more desperate as life
daily reminds you that it is temporary and as what is "fun"
gets old and has to be replaced with yet another "fun" thing.
But, you smell
a foul smell long enough, you don't notice the stench anymore.
Bob, I will continue
to add evidences to those "secret" pages. Maybe the next one
will focus on dinosaurs ... who knows?
But I will sign
off for now. I must admit, you have been an inspiration that
has grounded me further in my faith.
Peaceful because my future is secure,
What if I were
to use your same "Human logic is unimpressive and erroneous"
statement but point it towards Edward Britz and his ability
to "logically" explain Adam, Eve and a talking snake... that
was possessed by Satan? Wouldn't you say that we are too small
and too short lived to have a respectable logic and your explanation
of what went down in Eden would prove that? Are you telling
me that we have just enough logic to know God is real but
not enough to look for answers ourselves?
You are now starting
to sound like a cult member Ed. You see, I am arguing that
I don't think God exists and the Bible was written by humans
(not God), then in return you say "God is older than me.
I can only assume he knows more than me. I will have faith
in his logic."
I don't mind you
behaving like this because showing people how you debate your
viewpoint exposes who you are and how you think. It also shows
what can happen to someone when they commit to believing the
unbelievable. You start to tell people that they can't even
trust the back of their own hand. You start saying things
like: "I know that God is real because He is so much older
than me and smarter than me and according to Him He is VERY
No kidding, this is really what starts happening when you
completely submit to something that doesn't make sense. I
know because what's happening to you is what happened to me.
My own thought process started to cave in on itself as I tried
to make it all make sense.
It's a little painful
to watch you struggle through your thought process but it
is necessary to show you do it so that others can bear witness
to what being trapped in confusion really looks like.
hung your brains up at the door, you just don't know it yet
because they're still there. And that is the "peace" you feel.
what you think is irrelevant when proving truth.
A few things to
clear up first:
"I am arguing that
I don't think God exists..." Bob, what you think is irrelevant
when proving truth. What you mean to say is, "I am arguing
that God cannot exist" and I, myself, am arguing that God
cannot not exist.
"Are you telling
me that we have just enough logic to know God is real but
not enough to look for answers ourselves?" No, that's not
what I am telling you.
"God is older than
me. I can only assume he knows more than me. I will have faith
in his logic." Be careful when you quote me that you do not
take my words out of context. I was not using that to prove
his existence but to contrast God-logic with human-logic.
Let us be clear on that one.
I appear to be
a cult member?
a. A religion or
religious sect generally considered to be extremist or false,
with its followers often living in an unconventional manner
under the guidance of an authoritarian, charismatic leader.
b. Obsessive, especially
faddish, devotion to or veneration for a person, principle,
Well ... I really
don't know what to say except that you, yourself are an outgoing,
charismatic person, "extremely" "obsessed" with avoiding all
the evidence that points to intelligent design because some
non-existent God let you down and it is bothersome that there
are Jesus followers out there that have not been let down.
So long as there are, you may wonder if you were missing something
when you, allegedly, were a "Christian." Your encouragement
to go on comes from, though is not limited to, those devoted
to your site.
Come on Bob! Two
can play these little games. But I don't enjoy them as much
as you do.
Now to the real
If there is a God,
the real comparison is the condition of your soul and the
condition of mine. If there is no God, then ... you need to
lower your expectations so that this life alone actually entertains
you ... until tragedy strikes, of course. Life and health
are shaky things to depend on for purpose and happiness, but
... more power to you, Bob.
I have read many
of your fan mails. I have perused the biographical information
of many who admire you, and their lives don't seem to exemplify
purpose, significance, acceptance, satisfaction, peace ...
love. I mean, they (you) really have nothing to offer me.
But let us break life down shall we?
According to Chuck
Colson in his book, "Gideons Torch" you have three logical
conclusions in life, Bob:
1. You can believe
in the absolute truth, that there is a God, that you can be
accepted by him through a way he provided. Life has purpose,
significance, you are accepted. ... life
2. You can deny the truth, you are a cosmic accident, that
there is no absolute right and wrong, that life has no purpose
beyond your short existence, that regardless of what you do,
how you live, you will be forgotten and eventually die. You
either wait out death or do the only honest thing, suicide.
3. You can ignore the truth, the fact that you will die by
keeping yourself busy life's short-term offers of satisfaction,
money, power, sex, fun, what have you, because if you spend
too much time trying to understand the inevitabilities and
complexities of life, you will go insane.
So there you have
it Bob. Life, death/suicide, or madness. Of all the evidence
for and against God's existence, it, once again, is in your
best interest to give the evidence the benefit of the doubt.
At this point it
has become unavoidably obvious that you've moved beyond any
sort of logical, coherent discussion. I have to tell you that
I no longer respect your ability to think or reason in any
way. So what I am going to do is readily accept your suggestion
that I could be a cult leader and summon my minions to turn
against you and your very real God.
So I command you,
my followers, to deny the obvious truth (we are all related
Adam & Eve Noah & his wife, prehistoric fossils
are a lie contrived by scientists Satan and one day
soon Jesus Christ will be the first person to ever reincarnate
(as Himself even) so He can take all of His believers to Heaven
before the end of the world... like those Heaven's Gate wackos
did). This is my bidding so let it be done. Oh yeah, and I
also summon your females to sleep with me so that I may impregnate
them with my magical "God of Atheism" sperm.
I encourage you
Ed to continually update your pages, but I assure you one
day soon you will see that I am indeed the One True Leader
of the human race and the resistance you show only exposes
the fact that you know I am right.
resistance I show exposes my concern. The resistance you
show exposes that you have not yet found what you are
I show exposes my concern. The resistance you show exposes
that you have not yet found what you are looking for. This
search alone, is a proof that we were meant for more. My dog
isn't looking for anything ... but you are, Bob. Isn't that
Bob, I did not
mean to frustrate you so much. Really, I apologize about comparing
you to a cult leader. I take it back.
I am only trying
to show that your atheist-prone evidences seem to come from
someone who simply does not want to believe in God and not
from someone who has all sorts of mind-boggling proof. I am
offering stuff that points to God. You continually mock and
refute this evidence, and that's fine. It's often quite funny
really. But you give no evidence of your own. Sure you point
to self centered, overly-righteous people claiming to be Jesus
Freaks, you point to the "religion" of Christianity with all
its hypocrisy and suburban churchy, club-like attitudes with
cheesy smiles and poor taste for clothing, but this only proves
that people are much less than good, honest or trustworthy.
This has nothing to do with God.v
I would be annoyed
if a person claiming to be a friend of mine did something
stupid and caused the world to think that I must be stupid
by association. The idiotic action of a shortsighted acquaintance
does not change the fact that I'm a great guy, Bob.
All that to say
... God can exist in spite of those who follow him.
So ... show me
the money ...
P.S. Speaking of money, I put a link to 35 "big ones" on my
evidences page that point to intelligent design.
P.P.S. I will be in Chicago sometime in August ... we should
Oh holy God I NEVER
want to meet you! Now I understand why you've kept this email
correspondence going with me for as long as you have! You've
got a crush on me! Ak! I've moved from Chicago and there's
no way I'm going to volunteer the location of where I am now....
No fuckin' way.
You're loony Ed!
I'm realizing now that you quite possibly have fallen in love
with me too! YOU CAN NOT BE PART OF MY CULT!
It's neat though
how our different "resistances" are. Now this next part is
for my blessed minions:
Minions! As your
God Of Atheism I present to you Edward Britz, our living sacrifice
to Christianity so that we may all bear witness to how easily
the human mind can rationalize the absurd.
Watch as an adult
male ignores the proof human logic presents in our every day
lives. See how stupid someone can be made out to look as they
try to defend stupidity. Then learn from the idiotic actions
of this shortsighted acquaintance who actually thinks of himself
as a "great guy".
mindset of someone who sells their soul to religion and submits
to the madness therein. Taste his blindness for the bitter
poison that it is and refuse even a spoonful of fantasy! It
will waste your lives! Your effort will be LESS because the
fantasy is the reason you live!
You will be doomed
to draw pictures of woodland creatures on corncobs for the
rest of your days because your Christianity doesn't permit
you to illustrate your true passions! And finally, you will
fall in love with other men simply because they are free to
say and do as they please without the restrictions written
on a 2000 year old rule book by cavemen with unibrows and
poor grooming habits.
Now say goodbye
to Ed because we have all had our fill.
Bye bye Ed....
Edward Britz part 1