| I
was nervous that someone (mainly Jason) was trying to pull one over on
me. No one could be this far gone and still able to compose an email on
some "evil electric thinking box".
After the initial posting
of Jason's letters I was delighted to be contacted by a lovely someone
who knew of Jason and was more than willing to help me understand the person
I was dealing with. I expressed to her my concerns and she quickly put
them to rest.
Hey bob.
Jason sent me the other emails
and I guarantee you he is being serious.
As funny as it is, he doesn't
have the capacity to be THAT funny. I have plenty of stories I could tell
you, but I wouldn't want you posting it.
Needless to say, he loves
to debate and really would like to chat with you sometime one on one on
AIM or ICQ or whatever... hell he's on all of them. I'm glad he found someone
else to hound for a while.
One thing, on your first reply
to Jason, you stated: "This leaves me somewhat embarrassed for you and
for those who might find themselves vouching for you as well."
I hope you weren't meaning
me. The last thing I'd do is vouch for him... I've just had the misfortune
of knowing who he is and being on your side of a conversation with him
on many occasions. Fun huh? Although I must admit, I'm jealous. He has
his own page now! sigh. I guess I could act like an idiot and get one too
huh?
Kate |
And so it began. The emails
from Jason and others started to flow in.
| Bob, in response to the hatemail
from Jason McCann who said something like "what makes a song sad?" well
what makes a song sad is a minor chord. it's happy if it is made up of
major chords. simple music logic!! hehe not that i'm contradicting you
or anything i think you're great. but i wanted that pointed out to this
Jason McCann.
And i admire your ability
to actually laugh at these people and be able to write such whitty and
intelligent (and humorous) responses. i could never do that, because just
reading the hate mail frustrates me beyond belief because i want to go
up to these people and smack some sense into them. but if we could all
do that, then i think that none of the hate mail writers would exists.
Love ya
~Amy |
Let me state for the record
that my "No one knows what makes a sad song sad" statement was total
sarcasm.
Bob
|
Wow.
I just read the Jason McCann
files. Wow. I didn't know whether to laugh or cry. I laughed it turns out.
If you ever do anything like
a "Best of Hate Mail", Jason there would get my vote. The pure torture
of logic he spews is quite astonishing. I see weird stuff that I don't
understand, so there must be invisible spirits running around doing these
unexplained things. The guy needs Occam's(SP?) razor held to his throat.
Any school he ever attended should be shut down for gross negligence. When
I have kids, I'm making sure they take debate class in High School, and
critical thinking at the college level.
Keep on keeping on,
Alan Smith
P.S. If I ever head over to
the fan site for a chat, do I have your permission to use BeezleBob as
a handle? |
Oh my god, Bob,
I was going
to leave you alone for the rest of the holidays so you can get your mind
off this stuff, but I had to respond to your hilarious "discussion" with
the superstar Jason McCann. And I know you love to hear how clever you
are:). You're so clever.
Jason said:
These beings that surround us everyday are here watching over us and simply
offering us strength along the way. God and these other beings cannot manipulate
the entire world to fit in with your idea of what is right for you. The
fact that God does not manipulate the world to your liking RIGHT NOW does
not in anyway prove that he does not exist.
The fact that Jason manipulates
his perception of reality does not prove god exists either! I believe that
the current opinion on physics is that a negative cannot be proven in a
scientific way. Asking you, Bob, to prove that God does NOT exist would
be an amazing feat, if you were to do so. And Jason argues that spiritual
beings and other metaphysical creatures exist, even if you can't see them
because he says so, and some authors agree as well. If it says so in a
book, it must be true! Just like T.V.! Then later he calls you childish,
in a very childish manner. He seems to contradict himself with every word
he types. I have never known a man to believe in "faeries", let alone want
to so badly that he has decided they do exist.
The point I think Jason misses
is that just because his "religion" isn't of the more common organized
variety, it is still just as ridiculous. I'm sure it gives him that "Santa
Claus was here!" feeling everytime he thinks he sees a "faery?". Yes, Bob,
you too could feel the excitement if you weren't so....not stupid. I am
impressed by Jason's persistence to give his opinion without having anything
to back it up. I think he's wasting his time worrying about the 97% of
his brain that isn't being used. Why don't you use the 3% to make sense,
Mr. I'm-so-deep metaphysical guy? Jason, please keep writing. It's better
than faeries.
Sara
You found a good one, Bob:).
I laughed my ass off. |
| You can put it under my letter
and tell Jason I got it out of the fairy bible. And tell him it's an actual
photograph. File footage, you know.
I should have signed the damn
art, shouldn't I have? Oh well, too late.
Alien fairy for Jason McCann
by Sara Colleran
Super
Chic
|
|
Here
is where it all started, with the Hate Mail heading:
"We're
through the looking glass here people..."
| "...it
means nothing about you as a person to believe in obvious things" |
Uh duh organized religion
is stupid. Christianity and just about everything else is full of a bunch
of contradictions and stupid things. Freaking wars are always fought in
religion's name including the one going on this time. So your mocking of
such things as heaven and "the tunnel" come across as pretty juvenile to
someone like me. Convincing me that christianity is flawed is fine....but
using this to say that there is nothing or no "god"...thats pretty far
fetched to me. you need to do more. Your arguments for atheism are not
intelligient. If you want to convince someone like me why dont you confront
some modern views of god and the world? instead of 2000 year old beliefs
such as purgatory and heaven and hell and all that crap, why dont you learn
about and confront such things as auras and energy and faeries and little
angels and wicca and whatever else. (while some of those ideas may also
be old....they are far better than the blindness of christitanity.) Mocking
christianity is old hat to me. Have the courage to explore what might be
out there instead of just closing off and chickening out and assuming that
there is nothing.
and regarding your aversion
to therapy. That was comedy. You want a quick fix, and you mock the therapist
for saying its gonna take.....what was it? Like 30 visits? what is that
like 6-7 months? To figure out whats going on in your head? thats nothing!
Humans go through a nearly 18 year process of growing up as a child. They
have all sorts of pressures growing up.... parents.... parents who oftencan
be abusive or cold in this world....the kids at school.... trying to belong...trying
to fit it....and much more....for you it may well have been completely
different. But regardless you went through 18 years of what I am imagining
was not a perfect childhood. And you want to delve into your brain and
figure out what your defense mechanisms are and your transferences and
a ton of other stuff in what? One session? Not to mention you also might
have a had a bad therapist? If you listen to a piece of music and you dont
like the song do you find another artist or do you just conclude that music
sucks in general? Therapy is work buddy, it takes a while.
Judging from what you have
written you strike me as an impatient person. You need things explained
to you in black and white and right away. You have no patience. You want
the quick fix. You want to feel better about everything RIGHT NOW. Well
thats a pretty primitive form of existence if you ask me.
And one last thing....in my
opinion God made a world in which he couldnt be proved to exist so that
people would do what they would do and their true colors would be shown.
If people are good in a world where god is standing in the sun watching
over you then so what. If they are good by their own accord.....then thats
beautiful. And if they believe in god because they have the wisdom and
the eyes to truly look at the world....then thats beautiful too. Believeing
in god when hes there in front of you is like saying "I believe in dirt!"
Yeah dirts everywhere...duh. Point being it means nothing about you as
a person to believe in obvious things.
But as I said before I am
a firm opposer of organized religion...any that are out there right now
anyway. But I am no atheist and while I know these words will go in one
ear and out the other....you really ought to work on your view of the world.
Its a beautiful place. And its a horrible place. But you are missing something,
man. thats all I can say.
I hope you wont classify this
as hatemail because I dont hate you. Just had to point out a few things
about your site:) Enjoy finding the women.
Sincerely,
Jason McCann
changetheworlder@hotmail.com |
| I had not planned on coming
up against someone like you and your modern views of God. I'm sure that
this is all "old hat" and I must seem pretty juvenile and unintelligent
... to someone very big and smart like you. But I think that I can find
the courage to explore this further. Screw the Bible! Let me in on what
this new, updated God has to offer. I'd like your explanation because you
know what your talking about. Does New-God come with a revised bible too?
Hey, are you trying to tell
me that during an average human child's 18 year growing process, abuses
and pressures occur and this may or may not have been the case with me?
THAT'S OUTRAGEOUS! Stick it up your ass! You don't know my father! You
can't talk about my father! The basement was my happy place! STOP TEASING
MY FATHER!
As for your theories on therapy,
I am quite aware that I probably had a less than average therapist (your
one-bad-song/ hate-all-music analogy opened my eyes). Let me say that I
knew that I was sane enough to figure out my own problems, and so far I
think that I'm right.
Jason, I'd like you to show
me somebody that doesn't want to feel better about everything RIGHT
NOW. We all know that it takes time, but "wanting it now" is the first
step. I think that it is a primitive existence to want it down the road
a stretch, maybe in a couple years... when I get around to it. What are
you talking about? I guess that I am impatient.
One last thing for you. I
think that it means a lot for a person to believe the obvious. If more
people believed in the obvious everyone would be better off. I'll even
go so far as to say that if you examined every mistake and accident that
ever happened a very large majority of them would be attributed to people
not believing the obvious. In short, I think that your "Hiding God"
theory on this subject has not been thought out very well. In fact, I think
that a great many statements you've made have very little insight, no real
conclusions, and an obvious attempt to try and look smart. This leaves
me somewhat embarrassed for you and for those who might find themselves
vouching for you as well.
Sincerely,
Normal Bob Smith |
| "if
you want to mock modern thought...feel free" |
New updated god? Did I use
those words? Did I say anything like that? You have a profound ability
to bullshit people...i'll give you that...but, I see through it....and
this is not some "super intellegient being" speaking...though it must make
it easy for you to toss me in the catergory of the vane and self involved.
Look, if you want to mock
modern thought...feel free....the only point I was making was that you
should put it on your webpage instead of crap like the flaws in christianity
and other bullshit religions. I seriously laughed reading your webpages
mocking the "tunnel" and what not.
You still have not offered
any evidence to show there is no god...you only bitch about the problems
with the god that current philosophy presents. Or whatever you choose to
manipulate that sentence to mean. You essentially ignored every single
question and idea that I raised in my email. Amazing.
Jason :)
changetheworlder@hotmail.com
More propaganda...please!
P.s. your email sounds exactly like what I described.....a whiny child
who wants everything now. |
| Jason, if I am whining about
anything it's that you keep telling me about these modern views of God
that I should be addressing and you refuse to give me the details of what
you're talking about. I have read through my response to you again (genuinely
concerned that it might have sounded like I'm whining) and could find nothing
but my typical ego smashing, run amok hilarity that the ladies all find
so adorable.
To me the evidence is clear
that there is no God. If there were a supreme being or supreme race existing
in the universe lording over us we'd know it. Then there's the gift of
our imaginations working in conjunction with a dire need for an afterlife.
This is all the proof I need... is this the sort of thing that you consider
whining and/or bitching?
You see, I think that you're
doing this name calling and dissecting of my personality because that's
all you've got. I think that you're sticking to this defense to avoid having
to take a stand. I am dying to know more about your idea of a "modern god".
To be honest I don't think that you even know what you're talking about.
Does it include any written word or is it all your idea? Please, I'm asking
you to explain.
As for not answering all of
your questions... I feel that I adequately addressed the important ones.
I explained my views on therapy "Let me say that I knew that I was sane
enough to figure out my own problems, and so far I think that I'm right."
I illustrated to you that
your idea of a God making it impossible for His own existence to be proven
was a silly one, by referring to Him as a "Hiding God". All of these things
are ideas in your head that you hope to be true. You've constructed a scenario
that can operate without any evidence. Can't you see that this in itself
is evidence against! Evidence, because you're grasping at straws to make
it real.
And I ignored your thing about
how beautiful things are when you believe in them because that just sounded
loopy.
Thank you for being patient
with all of the whining. Bob |
| "What
makes a song sound sad?" |
Well Bob, where do I begin?
The details of what I am talking about?
I believe there are in fact
things that surround us on a daily basis. I not only believe that there
is a God, but I also believe that there many many other nonphysical beings
in this universe. I believe that we are not left alone to fend for ourselves
on this planet but are mrather in fact here to grow and learn things. I
do not believe we are here simply to get what we want when we want it...I
think of all of life as a learning process. These beings that surround
us everyday are here watching over us and simply offering us strength along
the way. God and these other beings cannot manipulate the entire world
to fit in with your idea of what is right for you. The fact that God does
not manipulate the world to your liking RIGHT NOW does not in anyway prove
that he does not exist.
As far as your rants about
evidence there is plenty of EVIDENCE that would be viewable by you the
person who only BELIEVES THE OBVIOUS that indicates the existence of telepathy
and other strange phenomenon. I mean its a constant on the planet through
time that never goes away. People claiming to be psychic....people predicting
things. Reports of people being healed. THE EVIDENCE to me seems to clearly
point that are things not of this world that you and I cannot understand.
Do you even realize how limited our states of minds as human beings are?
Do you think our level of conscienceness is capable of understanding everything
about the universe? If our simple minds are capable of understanding everything
Id be very surprised. We only use about 3% of our brains. What about those
other parts? What might they be for? Is it possible that just maybe that
those parts of the brain if we were capable of using them would allow us
to interact on a whole new plane of communication? Maybe its those parts
of the brain that would allows us to see the "hiding god"? Maybe we're
the "hiding humans"? maybe its limiting ourselves to the obvious that keeps
those parts of the brain from not functioning? The answer is I dont know!
I never claimed to know what is out there. I can only come up with beliefs
based on what I see in the world. and based on what I have seen in the
world, I think there is a god and angels and little angels and faeries
and pixies and all that....and that its much more complex and infinite
than you or I can comprehend. I also happen to believe that with the right
eyes you can see these things. Buy a book about auras or spiritual healing
and do some of the mental exercises in the book with a completely open
mind and you will be able to see the energy that every living thing emits
on this planet. And then maybe you'll be able to see the other things.
I have seen them. Can I prove to you that it was real or that I saw anything?
Absolutely not. And I am glad I can't.
Because even if I could you
could never appreciate it the you do when it happens to you. And if it
were provable then it wouldnt be nearly as special for me either. I am
not the one ignoring ther obvious. Look around you. Spend a day walking
and just looking at all the things in this world that are truly amazing.
Things that dont logically have to exist. Like the beauty of a sunset.
Or the mystery of music. What makes a song sound sad?
What makes it sound happy?
Why can the music of one person emotionally effect another person 300 years
later in a different country? What about humor? I mean if you think about
it what really makes us find certain things funny? To me these are the
things that indicate to me, not prove but indicate, that there is something
out there. Your arguments, however challenging, do not show me enough to
go against what I have seen in this world.
Anyway sorry to babble but
you wanted details. The evidence makes it obvious to me that there is something
out there that we dont understand.
I look forward to your response.
Believe me I find this every bit as entertaining as you do.
Jason
changetheworlder@hotmail.com |
| Jason, this is spectacular.
When you were talking about "more modern views of God" I hadn't a clue
that you'd developed a whole sci-fi fantasy world of non physical beings
watching over us, mental telepathy and the unexplainable mysteries of a
sad song.
You are absolutely correct
that I have yet to formally address this world you've thought up and the
magical place it may very well be.
I have always written off
the reports I've heard of people having the power to heal, mind readers
and those who consistently predict future events. I suppose that it's because
no one has ever been able to prove that these things can be done and it'd
be so easy to prove if they were real.
I have purposely avoided the
topic of music/humor and the abilities they have to emotionally effect
us. There is just no logical answer for this. Just between you and me,
I think that it could be the work of beings from another planet. I also
think that others might be involved. This is OFF the record, but I'll give
you a hint: The F.B.I. That's all I'm going to say on that matter. I'll
discuss more of that with you in a private chat if you'd like, but not
here where we're being watched.
You have brought up many issues
that I am reluctant to touch upon. Maybe it's out of fear... or it could
be that I'm blocking out the magical world with my adult logic (like "The
Sixth Sense" or a Mrs. Butterworth talking bottle commercial).
In any case, this has cleared
up the questions I had about you. You've definitely made your point about
the limitations of the human brain and the realities it ignores.
Thank you for the email,
Bob |
| "i
would love to chat..." |
i would love to chat with
you sometime. I always love a good discussion.
Jason McCann
changetheworlder@hotmail.com
Fri, 21 Dec 2001 20:15:22
-0800 |
| "I
need to respect people with the atheistic view..." |
by the way just wanted to
let you know....Like I said in my first email "i dont hate you." Not even
close actually. I just disagree with your ideas. I dont think you are going
to hell or anything like that. I believe in respecting other peoples ideas...
although i do find it easier when someone believes in something... anything.....
I also realize that I need to respect people with the atheistic view the
same way.
The main reason I debate with
you so vigorously is because I worry about my friend believing your ideas.
"Kate" you surely no doubt remember her simply by name. A hopeless case
I'm sure (or hopeful hehehe) but at least i can try.
By the way one thing I left
out....I just had to say...even if you dont think jesus is the son of god
(something that I havent decided on....what is the term "son" anyway? seems
like human terms posed on inhuman entities. kinda like calling god "he"
i guess. I suppose the writers could be trying to convey that the emotions
that one has for a son are similar to gods feelings for jesus. Or the way
god looks at jesus...but thats also symbolism implied as fact....well anyway)you
have to admit he's a pretty cool guy with a pretty decent philosophy. He
has this whole kick back and stop criticizing eachother idea. Who the hell
in his day was saying "don't stone the adultress"?
Jason McCann
Sat, 22 Dec 2001 00:50:13
-0800 |
|
hehehe
Jason McCann
changetheworlder@hotmail.com
Sat, 22 Dec 2001 01:01:21
-0800 |
...and
this is when it started getting good.
Jason
McCann Part 2
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