April the agnostic
her Christmas time correspondence
with me regarding Jason.
As a self-described
devotee of logic, you've always surprised me a little with
your adamant opposition to the idea that a Creator is at least
a possibility. How can any human observe the magnitude of
our universe and claim to have figured out how it's all come
together? It is arrogant and narrow-minded to think of oneself
as capable of even comprehending the complexity of our set
of systems and history, especially that which hasn't been
Human logic --
that on which you claim to thrive -- was formed by and is
based on fundamental laws. There are the obvious ones, like
Earth's gravity and the speed of light being faster than the
speed of sound. [It gets a little harder when considering
life. Some people believe life has specific beginning and
ending points (life and death), which implies a necessity
for new life to be produced (by God?) to replace that which
has died. Others believe life is infinite, that spirit just
travels in circles from one host to another, which implies
that Nature just plays with the same energy. What do you think?
in my opinion, is a natural instinct to believe in origin.
House comes from wood. Wood comes from tree. Tree comes from
seed. Wait. Where's seed come from? That's the question I've
asked myself over and over, and it's that question that has
kept me from deeming myself an atheist.
Believing a universe
can be created from nothing is highly illogical; initial nothingness
or chaos as the incubator for our civilization just does not
make sense, because endorsing such requires defying the logic
our very world has given us. One cannot claim to have logic
and accept something-from-nothing in the same breath. (I mean,
if there were just particles floating through nothing, where
did those particles come from? Nature tells us that they had
to have had some origin.)
So, in conclusion,
I guess I'm asking what you believe is the origin of our universe.
And you aren't allowed to use a generic Big-Bang-answer (if
you want to get into a debate on specifics of Big Bang theory,
that's fine, but no "Big Bang. The End." please) or the old
By the way, as
an aside to all of the Christians who hate you or are praying
for you because of your beliefs, I have this to say: I think
God, if he exists, has greater appreciation for people who
are introspective and scrutinizing than people who unquestioningly
follow the teachings they were drilled with as children. We
were instilled with logic, humor, and reasoning skills, and
if we aren't using them to question everything about our world,
we're pretty pathetic. (And if you think Jesus is in Heaven
weeping over the dress-up page, you've got to have the tighest
a-hole in the world... you know he's kickin' it with Dean-o
Martin and a PBR, dressing his online likeness in lingerie
and laughing because Bob made him white instead of black.)
portrait may or may not be an actual picture of the "April"
who wrote the previous email.)
been a while since I have emailed, but I have been faithfully checking
the site for the tidbits that you keep adding. During the dry spells,
I was satisfied with smaller updates of those funny banners, makes
me want to setup a site just to have them there...
this Jason McCann, fascinating sociological specimen that he is,
has kept me riveted to my monitor... this guy, this APE, has been
driving me up the wall. Were it not for your witty responses, I
would have actually torn out hair. It was equally cheering to see
two emails showing people who know that the "3% of your brain" is
it is just one bit of utter nonsense amongst a deluge. This guy
has cited such classic tomes of pseudo science as "The Case For
Christ"... reading this, is a bit like sticking your head in a blender
and setting it to chop... Unbelievable nonsense, right up there
with the fool who ended his email with the "... then I was a fish,
then I was a monkey..." nonsense. Why can't people who are too uneducated,
too stupid, and just too gullible to understand scientific thought
LEAVE IT ALONE!!!??!!!??? I mean, they have no problem leaving all
the deep theistic thinking to their damn priests or mullahs or imams
or monks or reverends... why can't they adopt a similar stance with
to how that might sound, I am NOT making a case for people blindly
following science as a religion... but if people HAVE to blindly
follow something, better Darwin than the pope... If people are just
going to listen to the predigested chum, which fools who think they
can scan the index of a high school physics text, find they don't
grasp the concept behind the big bang, and then proceed to regurgitate
endless streams of nonsense; a slurry of misquotes, misunderstandings,
outright foolishness, distorted religious and scientific precepts,
and good old "down country" inbreeding, use to form these viral
texts, then why can't they choose to leave the questions alone,
or take some TIME to form a conclusion. These books, such as "The
Case For Christ" are practically the vectors for the viral information
which spreads throughout masses of vacuous morons, such as McCann.
PISSES ME OFF, when social gristle (I conclude this having read
his chat with Kate) like McCann hijack the work which is so carefully
undertaken by the worlds scientific community to educate, and eradicate
the sort of viral notions that would otherwise perpetuate themselves
in the minds of (especially young) people. I say viral, because
notions such as the "3% of your brain", "transitional fossil records
don't exist, so evolution never occurred", ideas, and others which
are pseudoscientific tripe or even blatant lies and propaganda,
spread and replicate themselves in the "body" of groups of people
who just don't know any better...
that "I will hold my opinion and you can hold yours", but I argue
that this goes far beyond opinions, and in fact, leads to a way
of believing and thinking which can have incredibly dangerous consequences.
People who believe these fabrications and distortions can be the
same people who engage in and believe works which argue the case
for such dangerous nonsense as "Holocaust Revisionism" (basically
people who argue that either the Nazi Holocaust did not occur or
the number of dead are far fewer than commonly accepted), which
truly distorts important history, and could lead to future atrocities.
They can be the people who wave the american flag and think that
washes away our foreign policy. Those can be palestinians who think
their were no jews in the WTC towers, and that this is all part
of what they see as "a global zionist conspiracy." These people
can be Israelis who think that Arabs who are angry and just want
food, a job, and peace, are actually part of a global Islamic conspiracy...
So many of these beliefs which are bolstered by nuggets of "information"
found in highly biased magazines or televisions stations, or idiots
spouting nonsense on a street corner (or handing out Jack Chick
tracts... oh man, what a fruit loop!!! showed those babies to a
pal of mine who is a fairly well regarded psychologist, and he actually
choked on his coffee...) Information is powerful, and the intellectual
"immune systems" we build to filter that information is critical.
People like McCann who, for any number of reasons, (poor education,
low intelligence, an overwhelming desire to believe something, high
exposure to this kind of crap from an early age, local society,
etc.) do not have a very useful filter set up for complex information,
and believe the most ridiculous crap, crap seems to others to be
almost a joke (see fairies, unicorns, the resurrection, a red scaly
cloven hoofed beast who lives beside a lake of fire and is the source
of all evil...), end up spreading those ideas to younger generations,
who see an older person citing authority... people who are too young,
or as yet uneducated to realize the potential fallacy in an appeal
to authority. It can be as harmless as belief in fairies, or as
dangerous as holocaust revisionism.
is simple; if people decide to argue from a religious framework,
they expect to be able to grasp the underlying concepts, and if
not, are not respected or heeded. Likewise, when someone claims
to be arguing from a scientific framework, they MUST understand
what the hell they are talking about! It is certainly true that
physics at the level which is found in the theories pertaining to
the Big Bang, are incredibly complex, and everyone cannot grasp
them. This means that it simply is not a subject for EVERYONE! If
you can't grasp the science behind that side of the argument, please
don't assume that your ignorance or inability in any way reflects
upon the veracity of the argument. Just because religion does not
require leaps of understanding or intellect, but rather, leaps of
faith (which we are hardwired for), don't assume the easy way is
the right way. Just because it feels good to believe something,
doesn't make it right. And damn it, just because it sounds like
science, is delivered by someone you like and respect, and makes
sense at first, it cannot bloody hurt to check around and see if
it holds up to scrutiny! If someone claims to have the "simple answer"
to a demonstrably complex problem, maybe you should think twice
before accepting it! Think for yourself does not mean think BY yourself,
in an intellectual vacuum. Part of what is so wonderful about this
site, is that you, Bob, and a lot of the people who right (fan)mail
THINK and explore, and learn, are not afraid of reaching out for
an answer that is not pre chewed by assholes like Depak Chopra and
Oprah... and the ones who don't run into the "Wall O' Bob" (also
the wood chipper o bob, the abattoirs of bob, etc.) ... It is just
said to see a feeble mind like McCann strike that wall SO many times,
SO hard... like watching a sparrow beat it's brains out against
for the laughs and rest, Nick
"... using my friends..."
since you are using my friends to get private chats that I
participated in I am writing you this one last email. I dont
want to make a big deal of this anymore. I'm over it.
will always be the guy complaining about whats wrong with
things....the flaws. And you use flaws to support your entire
argument. You talk about proof. You keep saying that God doesnt
exist because no one can prove it.
with out mentioning organized religion one single time I want
to see you proove that their ISN'T a God. Its just as hard.
Its been an exercise in philosophy classes for years......just
to show how you can argue any point. You cant win the debate
a nutshell: Shut up about the flaws in relgion.....WE KNOW.
Come up with your own ideas instead of just bitching aobut
the flaws in other peoples ideas.
"the case for Christ" and "the truth behind false teachings".....
Everyone reading this! read those books! then maybe you will
have an actual argument at least.
worry I wont write any more emails folks! You'll miss the
excitement....but you'll handle it.
All right Jason,
A dear friend of
mine (See side panel) was able
to translate your mish mosh of mondo babble into a decipherable
inquiry. You see, I was under the impression that you were
sending me the details of your views so that I could shoot
them down and dance atop their flaccid corpses. But according
to my friend, this is not what you had in mind at all. Then,
by the time you got around to asking about my philosophy,
well I would've looked the bigger fool for accommodating you.
So April, this is for you.
Let's start right
at the beginning where only theory exists, nothing else. Unimaginable
nothingness... but something had to happen because we're here
now. Life defies logic. Our life, cell life, God's life, His
parent's lives and their parents too! With all life defying
logic theories could be debated to no end. This does not interest
me because I do have an end. So it is most important at this
stage to make sense. Hope, fairness, fantasy and feelings
must be thrown to the wayside. God, supreme being, creator,
what-have-you, falls into the "hope for fairness fantasy feeling"
us humans are such suckers for.
Sense tells me
something completely different. In the same manner that our
universe had to have come from nothingness, I believe that
the smallest life/energy/hated void/warm glow did as well.
The possibility of the smallest element of energy growing
and reproducing (as life does) is far more probable than the
idea of a massive being to be worshipped, ignored, believed
or betrayed is. Any one of those is total senselessness.
Life clearly follows
a set of rules. These rules are a mandatory part of drawing
the most probable conclusion. Defying those rules of reality
sends you down the stinky path of lies, deceit and evil (Jason's
theories). Following the rules of reality (dividing cells,
evolving life, birth without love, and expanding energy) gives
us answers where there were none before. And do you know what
my favorite part of my theory is? It does NOT serve human
emotion one single bit. This is what Jason steps in every
LOL. Okay you got
me there. That was damn funny and I laughed my ass off. (maybe
its the caffeine from this coffee....who knows) Mish mosh
of mondo babble....hehehe I am forced to agree. i was babbling.
I got off the point.
I'll try to be
a little more objective from here out. You bring up some interesting
points...Lemme get back to you
I enjoyed this email the most so far....gave me some stuff
to think about.
figured I'd send my picture."
figured I'd send my picture. I dont see any pictures of the
"hatemail" people...but what the hell...I'll break precedent.
Post it if you want to.
I want to.
It is up.
We are done.
"When all else fails, censor!"
are done....I dont see that last email of mine up on the page...and
I sure as hell dont see all those interesting webpages I recommended....
hmmmm.... how convenient. When all else fails, censor!
You could go on forever.
I don't post people who just want me to link web sites, and
debating with you is pointless.
We are done.
"...the links would really make
a good point and we cant have that can we?"
I see how it is now. You couldve posted the email without
the links.....but besides...the links would really make a
good point and we cant have that can we? Gotta keep the fans
in line you know.
you for proving to me that you are a moron:) I guess I made
a few too many good points hehehe:)
And you were just starting to become interesting!
Make your own site.
Now that I'd link!
"If you want to be truthful post
that email and then respond to it and say 'We are done."
just wont argue if you cant win. If someone cuts through your
bullshit you have to shut them up. Thats why you get to make
so many "good" points and thats why you use humor/sarcasm
to make up for wit.....You never let anyone argue with you
if they say something you cant respond to....You write a witty
sarcastic reply and move on.....You win the stupid little
quibbles but you cannot win a long sustained argument as you
have proven to me. Keep on responding to the Religious maniacs
damning you to hell....Thats so challenging!
far as my own site....I could do it...but what the hell would
be the point? Granted if you linked me it'd be fun....I dunno
I'll think about it. I'm not really keen on being portrayed
as a religious nut though....hmmmm. Seriously...I will let
you wanted to end this you couldve done it with out manipulating
your "fans'. If you want to be truthful post that email and
then respond to it and say "We are done." At least acknoledge
to your fans that you dont want to listen anymore and that
you you are shutting me up. The way you post it on the page
is utter manipulation.....People will believe that I just
stopped writing. Get rid of the links if they scare you that
much....but please look at them yourself.
ARE DONE" hehehe
Hey, I'll post
your email address? Then everyone who contacts you, you can
expose me as a fraud to them.
like a great idea.
Here is the email of "interesting webpages" he was referring
I am a musician and I am quite aware of major and minor
keys (not to mention the tons others keys there are.)"
I just had to correct an error I made. Humans use 5-10% of
their human brain POTENTIAL. (this is why some people are
geniuses...this why even though computers aren't as powerful
as the brain is said to be we still need calculators and internet
explorer. This is why people get more intellegient because
of education....I'd mention those people who are psychic and
mediums and gifted in other such ways, but every single one
of them is a liar right? So i wont go there.) I did not mean
to imply that their were parts of the brain dying away inside.
My only point is who knows what we'll be able to do tommorow.
I mean 8th grade algebra used to be a college course back
in the day. Heres a few links for ya Bobbio. (more at bottom)
the music thing. Yes I am a musician and I am quite aware
of major and minor keys (not to mention the tons others keys
there are.) That still doesnt explain to me how universal
music is. I dont see how the major and minor chords explain
why you can write a melody with no words and have someone
1000 years later listen to it and cry. Or why people can watch
an opera and not understand a word and be totally moved. (granted
some of it can be seen from the context of the story....but
then people buy the cd/download the mp3 and listen to the
music by itself)
the way, I at least respect those people who had the knowledge
to combat my statements. (though they dont seem to respect
me very much....) It was much more rewarding to read than
watching you ignore 2-4 good points per email.
you actually answered my questions you might actually be interesting
to talk to. Are you going to respond to the points I bring
up in this email, or are you gonna post this on your webpage
and wait for your fans to come up with answers for you?
Your emails look a lot more full of hate than mine do...I
said in the very first email that I dont hate you....yet I
am writing the hatemail....hmmmm.
another good webpage (scroll
to the section on human needs)
CORRECTION the name of that book is "Fast
Facts On False Teachings"
to see the sample section on atheism use this
I dont believe everything this guy says but he brings up some
good points and he will make you think. I'm still reading
the book, but he goes into every religion and tells about
the bullshit embedded in all religions....and the truth. Dont
just judge the book from the atheism section...you have to
read the other parts too...The chapter on Mormons is great....that
is one religion that is just WAY too fucked up. Its great
for a laugh, though.
the other book I am reading: The
case for christ: That
one is a little more fact by fact analysis style.
thanks for your time folks:) Bob if you ever want to debate
like an adult with out the constant insults and sarcasm I'm
still willing. Why is that such a hard thing for you to do?
Is it because you couldnt win an argument with out it?
the way feel free to post my email address....I want some
hatemail of my own damn it! :)
Finally, here are some
fans who, like me, have had enough of Jason.
don't respond to Jason anymore. He's using the immensely annoying
technique of repeatedly responding with "you didn't explain
it like I wanted you to!" He continually comes back at you
with baseless arguments that he himself doesn't even know
how to explain.
If you respond
to him, then all you'll get back is more of, "you're not funny!
You have no argument! Pixies and faeries are able to prove
themselves*!" *but no real explanation as to how this happens...
Just to let you
know, I am an atheist, I think you're great/funny/witty, and
I think Jason is trying to draw out the argument incredibly
long so that eventually you get tired of it and he can go
to sleep at night telling himself, "he gave up 'cause he knows
Just my opinion,
but that little bitch gives me a headache. ~Another person
who dislikes Jason McCann
hey Bob? it's me,
Samantha. don't keep email that McCann guy. he's not cool.
your servant, etc.
My opinion is that
he is leaching some sense of self worth from your consideration
of his emails. That, out of loneliness, all of the suicide
hotlines know his voice by now and just hang up, the homeless
folks move from the bench when he tries to start a conversation,
and he has at last found a place where someone acknowledges
his existence and hasn't yet shot themselves in exasperation.
Peel him off and let him wiggle on the sidewalk till he dries
Is it over?
I think that it probably is.
I've got other fish to fry.